Curse

cmnkb8 · Oct 16, 2005, 06:10 AM // 06:10

Sorry if this is the incorrect forum or if this topic has been raised before (if it has I can't find it), but I want to raise the issue of items dropping for players who are dead in party. There are times where I die while fighting, and a rare item or maybe an ecto (in UW) or shard (in FoW) drops for my character. Often times in small groups (like 4-5), those people will stand around for 5+ minutes waiting for the item to lose its assignment tag so they can snatch it up. I know they have rez, but they simply won't rez me because they're greedy little....you know. I'm sure a lot of you who play in pick up groups have this problem. Wish my guild was bigger so I'd have more buddies to play with, but alas I'm stuck with the crappy public groups. Anyway, after they steal my item, they act as if nothing had happened, someone rez's me, and expects me to continue whatever I was doing. Usually I don't care that much, since after all it's still a game, but if I ask someone to rez me and they purposely refuse, I'm forced to leave the game since I don't want to waste more time lying around waiting for someone to steal my item. Anyway, the point of the post is to propose some kind of dead player item claim system. Like if a player is dead, and an item drops for that character, it is automatically placed into the player's inventory when the assignment tag duration expires. That solves the issue of wasting time and people stealing your items while you lie helplessly on the ground since they have nothing to gain from standing around and letting you stay dead. Anyway that's just my suggestion. If anyone else has other ideas or similar issues, please share your thoughts. Thank you.

Plague · Oct 16, 2005, 06:44 AM // 06:44

Maybe they won't rez you because you die too much or run off on your own? I highly doubt a group of players is intentionally standing around, picking on you by talking until your item limit runs down, then steals whatever crummy items the game is giving you, just for the sake of having a crisp new Ghostly Remains.

dargon · Oct 16, 2005, 06:52 AM // 06:52

Some people really are that petty/greedy, I'm not surprised by it at all.

heist23 · Oct 16, 2005, 07:07 AM // 07:07

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Originally Posted by Plague

Maybe they won't rez you because you die too much or run off on your own? I highly doubt a group of players is intentionally standing around, picking on you by talking until your item limit runs down, then steals whatever crummy items the game is giving you, just for the sake of having a crisp new Ghostly Remains.

nope, drop theives are pretty common. they intentionally wait for the tag to run its course before they steal the precious ecto. greed in men knows no bounds.

lyra_song · Oct 16, 2005, 08:06 AM // 08:06

This is all too common and i think easy to avoid, just watch who you party with. I usually leave as soon as i see cursing or calling names or impatience.

im always careful with whatever PUG i join, and try to make my own group when i can. Every group i ever put together has been awesome fun because im very careful when i invite people. People who curse or type "Lik dis" or tell people to hurry up and are impatient are instantly kicked. I always try to talk to every member of my party to know exactly what their build is and so the party knows their strength/weakness and if they need to change anything to fit the party. Sure it takes me MUCH MUCH longer to form a PUG, but in the end we mesh together better and are successful. A recent example is a PUG i made to do Ring of Fire mission and even though we got heavily DPed near the etherseals at the gate, we didn't fail because our E/Mo knew how to stay alive after the rest of us got killed and rebirthed the rest of the party many many times. After 60% DP we decided to hell with it and rush into the gates and we ended up beating the mission with 60% DP each.

The only time i ever had a rare item drop while i was dead was when i was with a guild mate. The 2 survivors both had used their rez sigs and since one was my guildmate, he picked up the item for me and gave it to me later.

Mumoto · Oct 16, 2005, 08:14 AM // 08:14

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Originally Posted by cmnkb8

Sorry if this is the incorrect forum or if this topic has been raised before (if it has I can't find it), but I want to raise the issue of items dropping for players who are dead in party. There are times where I die while fighting, and a rare item or maybe an ecto (in UW) or shard (in FoW) drops for my character. Often times in small groups (like 4-5), those people will stand around for 5+ minutes waiting for the item to lose its assignment tag so they can snatch it up. I know they have rez, but they simply won't rez me because they're greedy little....you know. I'm sure a lot of you who play in pick up groups have this problem. Wish my guild was bigger so I'd have more buddies to play with, but alas I'm stuck with the crappy public groups. Anyway, after they steal my item, they act as if nothing had happened, someone rez's me, and expects me to continue whatever I was doing. Usually I don't care that much, since after all it's still a game, but if I ask someone to rez me and they purposely refuse, I'm forced to leave the game since I don't want to waste more time lying around waiting for someone to steal my item. Anyway, the point of the post is to propose some kind of dead player item claim system. Like if a player is dead, and an item drops for that character, it is automatically placed into the player's inventory when the assignment tag duration expires. That solves the issue of wasting time and people stealing your items while you lie helplessly on the ground since they have nothing to gain from standing around and letting you stay dead. Anyway that's just my suggestion. If anyone else has other ideas or similar issues, please share your thoughts. Thank you.

Auto. being put in your inventory would be a bad idea, assignment tag should stay infinitely when you're dead, so that even if they wait they can't get it.

Carinae · Oct 16, 2005, 08:40 AM // 08:40

Anything still tagged to you should appear in an Unclaimed Items box. They won't rez you, you leave and still get the drop.

heist23 · Oct 16, 2005, 12:31 PM // 12:31

good idea. now we just have to wait for something like this to get implemented....

cmnkb8 · Oct 16, 2005, 03:11 PM // 15:11

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Originally Posted by Mumoto

Auto. being put in your inventory would be a bad idea, assignment tag should stay infinitely when you're dead, so that even if they wait they can't get it.

I don't see how an item being auto-placed is bad. unless your inventory is full, then maybe it can go into a claim box like someone else suggested. If they don't rez u, then you have no chance of claiming an item otherwise. If the item(s) being auto placed in inventory are crappy, you can just dump them after you are rez'ed. And also, if the assignment tag stays infinitely and the group doesn't rez you and you get dc'ed, then the item goes back into a black hole since no one can claim it.

Human1 · Oct 18, 2005, 02:59 AM // 02:59

I actually think that dead people shouldn't get drops. It's really frustrating when I work my tail off to survive and assault and all the drops are for dead group members. If you're the one alive, you should get first pickins.

Wilheim Eversmann · Oct 18, 2005, 03:14 AM // 03:14

what if you died after the drop??? it always happen in boss fight in SF or anywhere, sometimes you just can't get the drop coz you are fighting hard and want to left it after the battle. if all member rush to the drops in battles....that will be sucks

Jczech · Oct 18, 2005, 03:34 AM // 03:34

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Originally Posted by Human1

I actually think that dead people shouldn't get drops. It's really frustrating when I work my tail off to survive and assault and all the drops are for dead group members. If you're the one alive, you should get first pickins.

Then you just end up with monks who intentionally let people die in the last moments of battle so the drops are split less ways...

I'd prefer things either go to your inventory (though that helps botting farmers...) or stay attached to you if you're dead. Wouldn't be too hard to stop the timers on items if the owner is dead.

topdragon147 · Oct 18, 2005, 03:38 AM // 03:38

how about getting all the still assigned items under your name when you rezone? I had a Bludgeoner drop for me one time when i was in GF. The other people, being jealous, ran into SF to prevent me from picking it up. Anet, feel free to put one in my storage any time.

Borislav Vladislav · Oct 18, 2005, 04:04 AM // 04:04

i think that dead peopel should not get any drops at all i mean how do they deserve a drop when they are dead after all they probably did something wrong that they died

widowdaballa · Oct 18, 2005, 05:09 AM // 05:09

He's not talking about some crummy items like salvage materials or collector materials, Plague. He means the more important stuff, such as ectos, shards, gold items, superior runes, etc,etc.
Sometimes, it's not what they did wrong. The team could have gotten overpowered, and someone died. Had it been you, you'd be whining and crying about that green item being YOURS. I say, get and unclaimed item box like Clarinae Dragonblood said. If they won't rez you, then leave and claim it at the outpost you map to. It happens in missions, so why not if you leave the party? They end up being the losers, cuz they won't get the prize, and that leaves one less person for a mission, UW, or FoW. Another thing is, once an item gets assigned to someone, it is assigned to ONLY that person. Unless they were to leave. I mean, if that person doesn't want the drop, he can always pick it up, then drop it right back down, meaning the assigned item is free for anyone else to pick up. It's not always the dead person's fault for dying. Especially in the case of a monk or ele. They usually are primary targets to enemies.
You Human1 and Borislav Vladislav, are the exact type of people this thread is talking about.

DreamCatcher · Oct 18, 2005, 05:13 AM // 05:13

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Originally Posted by Jczech

I'd prefer things either go to your inventory (though that helps botting farmers...)

kinda makes this a bad idea as those same botters could ruin the economy

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Originally Posted by Jczech

...or stay attached to you if you're dead. Wouldn't be too hard to stop the timers on items if the owner is dead.

Indeed, but this also would create situations where a team of friends/guilds that trust eachother to be unable to pick up items that belong to dead friends/guildies and cannot be ressed or are on a spot whwre it's impossible to ress them even though said (now dead) friends would inf act trust their still alive mates to pick up those items and give those items back once in an outpost

However, had it been possible to have the assignment lost ONLY AFTER the original owner left it could create situations where the drop-camper would simply wait for a looong time till the original owner would map out.

A suggestion I could make is to make it so that there is no timer (items never loose their assigned owner) UNLESS the original owner passes said item to an other person.

Zhou Feng · Oct 18, 2005, 06:21 AM // 06:21

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Originally Posted by DreamCatcher

kinda makes this a bad idea as those same botters could ruin the economy

Indeed, but this also would create situations where a team of friends/guilds that trust eachother to be unable to pick up items that belong to dead friends/guildies and cannot be ressed or are on a spot whwre it's impossible to ress them even though said (now dead) friends would inf act trust their still alive mates to pick up those items and give those items back once in an outpost

However, had it been possible to have the assignment lost ONLY AFTER the original owner left it could create situations where the drop-camper would simply wait for a looong time till the original owner would map out.

A suggestion I could make is to make it so that there is no timer (items never loose their assigned owner) UNLESS the original owner passes said item to an other person.

This could be solved with a permission system. Some sort of command that allows a "firend" to pick the item for the person.

I agree with unlimited tag times and the "unclaimed box" although it should work with only unclaimed items with your tag.

Mumoto · Oct 18, 2005, 06:49 AM // 06:49

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Originally Posted by Borislav Vladislav

i think that dead peopel should not get any drops at all i mean how do they deserve a drop when they are dead after all they probably did something wrong that they died

You're a typical jerk, think of yourself dying and not getting any items at all, btw ever heard or 'Resurrection'-skills ?

Wilheim Eversmann · Oct 18, 2005, 07:09 AM // 07:09

lol doing something wrong ???? it would be anyone!!!!!! bad aggro, sux monk, blah blah....many reasons make you die~ if the reason of death are all caused by the dead person and he is not going to stop his behaviour..i have met many like solo tank, tanking caster..... but to "punish" them by not rezing them is not a morally good way, usually me and my team-mates will ask him to leave or ask him to do what we told him........NOT punish them by taking their drops, this is because they maybe a newbie in game, they dun want to die too..!

dargon · Oct 18, 2005, 07:15 AM // 07:15

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Originally Posted by Borislav Vladislav

i think that dead peopel should not get any drops at all i mean how do they deserve a drop when they are dead after all they probably did something wrong that they died

This coming from someone who lists 2 monk characters in his forum profile. I can see it now, fighting the mursaat and a nice gold item falls. Monk decides to stop healling the party so he can have the nice gold item and the entire party dies, with the last member dieing due to bleeding just after the final mob is killed, leaving only the selfish monk alive. How would any of that be the individual players fault if the monk decided to just stop healing them? I'm not saying every monk is a healer, but assuming that because someone died, it's their fault and they did something wrong, well, that's just stupid.

I was helping a monk guildy through GNW a couple weeks ago, and when we reached the second catapult I decided I'd play sacrificial lamb and run in, pull all the charr into catapult range, and die along with them in the bombardment as we had gotten there too late to hit the boss with the catapult. Newbie monk cast Lifebond on me before I went in and then when I had all the charr rounded up, he launched the catapult. Guess who died, it wasn't me

. Did he make a mistake, yes we all did, did he do something wrong? Hell no. Should he be penalized of anything that dropped for him? Not at all.